diff --git a/backend/alias/alias.go b/backend/alias/alias.go
index f708ca265..873320e98 100644
--- a/backend/alias/alias.go
+++ b/backend/alias/alias.go
@@ -5,6 +5,7 @@ import (
 	"strings"
 
 	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs"
+	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs/cache"
 	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs/config/configmap"
 	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs/config/configstruct"
 	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs/fspath"
@@ -46,9 +47,5 @@ func NewFs(name, root string, m configmap.Mapper) (fs.Fs, error) {
 	if strings.HasPrefix(opt.Remote, name+":") {
 		return nil, errors.New("can't point alias remote at itself - check the value of the remote setting")
 	}
-	fsInfo, configName, fsPath, config, err := fs.ConfigFs(opt.Remote)
-	if err != nil {
-		return nil, err
-	}
-	return fsInfo.NewFs(configName, fspath.JoinRootPath(fsPath, root), config)
+	return cache.Get(fspath.JoinRootPath(opt.Remote, root))
 }
diff --git a/backend/cache/cache.go b/backend/cache/cache.go
index 08fd83034..13d1143e9 100644
--- a/backend/cache/cache.go
+++ b/backend/cache/cache.go
@@ -361,15 +361,10 @@ func NewFs(name, rootPath string, m configmap.Mapper) (fs.Fs, error) {
 		return nil, errors.Wrapf(err, "failed to clean root path %q", rootPath)
 	}
 
-	wInfo, wName, wPath, wConfig, err := fs.ConfigFs(opt.Remote)
-	if err != nil {
-		return nil, errors.Wrapf(err, "failed to parse remote %q to wrap", opt.Remote)
-	}
-
-	remotePath := fspath.JoinRootPath(wPath, rootPath)
-	wrappedFs, wrapErr := wInfo.NewFs(wName, remotePath, wConfig)
+	remotePath := fspath.JoinRootPath(opt.Remote, rootPath)
+	wrappedFs, wrapErr := cache.Get(remotePath)
 	if wrapErr != nil && wrapErr != fs.ErrorIsFile {
-		return nil, errors.Wrapf(wrapErr, "failed to make remote %s:%s to wrap", wName, remotePath)
+		return nil, errors.Wrapf(wrapErr, "failed to make remote %q to wrap", remotePath)
 	}
 	var fsErr error
 	fs.Debugf(name, "wrapped %v:%v at root %v", wrappedFs.Name(), wrappedFs.Root(), rpath)
diff --git a/backend/chunker/chunker.go b/backend/chunker/chunker.go
index 74bebacef..8032bb6e4 100644
--- a/backend/chunker/chunker.go
+++ b/backend/chunker/chunker.go
@@ -24,6 +24,7 @@ import (
 	"github.com/pkg/errors"
 	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs"
 	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs/accounting"
+	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs/cache"
 	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs/config/configmap"
 	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs/config/configstruct"
 	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs/fspath"
@@ -238,15 +239,18 @@ func NewFs(name, rpath string, m configmap.Mapper) (fs.Fs, error) {
 		return nil, errors.New("can't point remote at itself - check the value of the remote setting")
 	}
 
-	baseInfo, baseName, basePath, baseConfig, err := fs.ConfigFs(remote)
+	baseName, basePath, err := fspath.Parse(remote)
 	if err != nil {
 		return nil, errors.Wrapf(err, "failed to parse remote %q to wrap", remote)
 	}
+	if baseName != "" {
+		baseName += ":"
+	}
 	// Look for a file first
 	remotePath := fspath.JoinRootPath(basePath, rpath)
-	baseFs, err := baseInfo.NewFs(baseName, remotePath, baseConfig)
+	baseFs, err := cache.Get(baseName + remotePath)
 	if err != fs.ErrorIsFile && err != nil {
-		return nil, errors.Wrapf(err, "failed to make remote %s:%q to wrap", baseName, remotePath)
+		return nil, errors.Wrapf(err, "failed to make remote %q to wrap", baseName+remotePath)
 	}
 	if !operations.CanServerSideMove(baseFs) {
 		return nil, errors.New("can't use chunker on a backend which doesn't support server side move or copy")
@@ -271,7 +275,7 @@ func NewFs(name, rpath string, m configmap.Mapper) (fs.Fs, error) {
 	// (yet can't satisfy fstest.CheckListing, will ignore)
 	if err == nil && !f.useMeta && strings.Contains(rpath, "/") {
 		firstChunkPath := f.makeChunkName(remotePath, 0, "", "")
-		_, testErr := baseInfo.NewFs(baseName, firstChunkPath, baseConfig)
+		_, testErr := cache.Get(baseName + firstChunkPath)
 		if testErr == fs.ErrorIsFile {
 			err = testErr
 		}
diff --git a/backend/crypt/crypt.go b/backend/crypt/crypt.go
index 9d2ad946b..b8f27f840 100644
--- a/backend/crypt/crypt.go
+++ b/backend/crypt/crypt.go
@@ -12,6 +12,7 @@ import (
 	"github.com/pkg/errors"
 	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs"
 	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs/accounting"
+	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs/cache"
 	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs/config/configmap"
 	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs/config/configstruct"
 	"github.com/rclone/rclone/fs/config/obscure"
@@ -158,24 +159,25 @@ func NewFs(name, rpath string, m configmap.Mapper) (fs.Fs, error) {
 	if strings.HasPrefix(remote, name+":") {
 		return nil, errors.New("can't point crypt remote at itself - check the value of the remote setting")
 	}
-	wInfo, wName, wPath, wConfig, err := fs.ConfigFs(remote)
-	if err != nil {
-		return nil, errors.Wrapf(err, "failed to parse remote %q to wrap", remote)
-	}
 	// Make sure to remove trailing . reffering to the current dir
 	if path.Base(rpath) == "." {
 		rpath = strings.TrimSuffix(rpath, ".")
 	}
 	// Look for a file first
-	remotePath := fspath.JoinRootPath(wPath, cipher.EncryptFileName(rpath))
-	wrappedFs, err := wInfo.NewFs(wName, remotePath, wConfig)
-	// if that didn't produce a file, look for a directory
-	if err != fs.ErrorIsFile {
-		remotePath = fspath.JoinRootPath(wPath, cipher.EncryptDirName(rpath))
-		wrappedFs, err = wInfo.NewFs(wName, remotePath, wConfig)
+	var wrappedFs fs.Fs
+	if rpath == "" {
+		wrappedFs, err = cache.Get(remote)
+	} else {
+		remotePath := fspath.JoinRootPath(remote, cipher.EncryptFileName(rpath))
+		wrappedFs, err = cache.Get(remotePath)
+		// if that didn't produce a file, look for a directory
+		if err != fs.ErrorIsFile {
+			remotePath = fspath.JoinRootPath(remote, cipher.EncryptDirName(rpath))
+			wrappedFs, err = cache.Get(remotePath)
+		}
 	}
 	if err != fs.ErrorIsFile && err != nil {
-		return nil, errors.Wrapf(err, "failed to make remote %s:%q to wrap", wName, remotePath)
+		return nil, errors.Wrapf(err, "failed to make remote %q to wrap", remote)
 	}
 	f := &Fs{
 		Fs:     wrappedFs,